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 No.5886

Do you ever get the feeling nobody actually likes you regardless of what they say? That they're just acting out of obligation or pity? That nobody will ever actually genuinely like you for the rest of your days and no one will remember you when you're not there anymore?

 No.5888

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>>5886
I feel that often but thats not true. It all inside you. In reality, whole world is inside you, if you're schizo enough.

 No.5889

Go to your local bookstore and pick up any self help book off the shelf. What does it teach you? How to manipulate others by controlling how you appear to them. How to put up a facade to mislead others. Individuals are now Machiavellian schemers constantly playing each other for self advancement. Progressives love to attack the old Protestant morality, but at least people had a sense of moral indignation, right and wrong, and firmly believed in being sincere to one’s conscious. Today, narcissism and scheming is our morality, being liked by others is social currency.

The intensification of consumerism has created a throw away culture where everything is disposable and replaceable, including humans. Don’t like that friend? Cut them off. See someone else you’re attracted to? Dump your current partner. How can I be sure the other person isn’t just using me?

In this kind of society it’s impossible to know anyone’s intentions because everyone is encouraged to be insincere and selfish bastard, a psychopath.

 No.5890

>>5889

> In this kind of society it’s impossible to know anyone’s intentions because everyone is encouraged to be insincere and selfish bastard, a psychopath.



Yes this is one of the many problems with capitalism. I don't see what "progressives" have to do with anything and I don't believe that rigid outdated belief systems are the solution to a complex world in which every issue is connected to myriad other issues. But I agree with you that the world has been cheapened by the propaganda of justified selfishness perpetuated by capitalists.

 No.5891

>>5890
One can't critique capitalism without questioning liberalism and progressivism, the normative ethic of global capitalism. Progressives of all stripes believe in the cult of the individual and maximizing personal freedom in ways that have led to extreme subjectivism and narcissism. Liberalism is extremely cynical because it holds that morality is subjective, that humans are atoms, and that greedy and selfish Machiavellian behavior is actually a good thing. People now struggle to comprehend a shared life with each other and with the non-human environment, which is rapidly being destroyed to serve the consumer society.

 No.5892

i think if people act like they like you then the worst case scenario is that they care about you enough to avoid making you fell bad, though probably they actually like you and you're just overthinking

 No.5893

I do, but I never had any sort of explanation for it, like they are lying to me or something. I just don't think people like me, even though if I think for like 5 seconds, I can find reasons to disprove that. I guess the truth is that I don't like myself, so I assume other people don't like me either. Kind of annoying, but it's all in my head at least.
>>5889
I hope one day you'll understand that that kind of rhetoric helps no one. Blaming society or consumerism or progressivism will never be as effective as seeking company, communities, and/or real people to talk to. What could someone do to help themselves, after reading what you just wrote?

 No.5894

>>5889
Most people are nice, I think you've just had bad experiences. I've had so many friends and even strangers go out of their way to help me out in a pinch, meanwhile the number of times I've been taken advantage of can be counted on one hand. Humans are social by nature and want to help each other out, very few really want to hurt you, and those that do are usually forced into that type of behavior by social or economic pressure, or due to trauma.

 No.5895

>>5893
>What could someone do to help themselves, after reading what you just wrote?
Good point. I guess its better than blaming yourself. I guess it might answer why you feel this way and think these thoughts.

>Blaming society or consumerism or progressivism will never be as effective as seeking company, communities, and/or real people to talk to

The average person today gets up, drives to work in an enclosed box, does her work in a cubicle, goes and picks up the groceries which she pays for by machine, fills up on gas, and returns home. Right next to her are a dozen other people living in the same bubble. There is no social interaction going on. We don't live in a society anymore. Where are the real people? How does anyone form a community these days? People don't understand what a community is anymore. They think its just a aggregate of people. No.

>>5894
There are nice people but the world's value system has changed. We're upset all the time because the value system we live and breathe is broken and it makes us unhappy and that's why we feel like nobody likes us or everyone's trying to get things out of us. We've been made to feel this way.

 No.5897

Get a grip. Most people have already enough in their plate, they're just being polite to you.

 No.5898

>>5897

What's wrong with wanting real friendship?

 No.5899

>>5895
>There are nice people but the world's value system has changed. We're upset all the time because the value system we live and breathe is broken and it makes us unhappy and that's why we feel like nobody likes us or everyone's trying to get things out of us. We've been made to feel this way.
Have things actually changed? Maybe if you go way back to hunter-gatherer times, but even then who knows. People have been trying to take advantage of others since ancient times. Our oldest recorded piece of writing is a guy complaining about getting scammed by a copper supplier.

 No.5900

>>5899
The point isn't that people have never been manipulative but that today putting on a facade in public and using it to control and manipulate others is now the bedrock of our moral norms. Manipulative behavior is nothing new, what is new is the idea that this is a good thing and that its socially beneficial. Its entrepreneurial thinking applied to everyday life.

>>5898
Why would someone respond like that? "Get a grip" its dismissive, cruel. If social relationships now follow business like rules, then its every person's own responsibility steal a friend just as its the responsibility of every business to turn a profit or die. If you don't like this cutthroat culture, well that's just how reality is and you should "get a grip." Since everyone relationship is now like a corporate contract, people don't owe you anything beyond the terms of agreement. So we're told we shouldn't be upset or even care if people really like us anymore then Sam Altman worries if Jensen Huang really likes him, all that matters is getting your end of the deal.

I remember someone telling me that the reason people don't date as much now is because it "isn't worth the risk" because they are "high risk, low reward." You'd think he's some investor, calculating the odds. Life reduced to financial speculation. This is a great example of how life has become business, intimacy has become a product, and individuals are now stock traders treating their most intimate relationships into trade negotiations. Its no wonder that this society has led to people feeling despair, worrying that they are worthless, that people are disingenuous etc.

 No.5901

>>5898
No one owes you anything

 No.5903

>>5901
Everyone should be treated with as basic level of respect. You "owe" people that at least. And longing for friendship isn't holding someone up at gunpoint or demanding anything. But why shouldn't the desire for friendship be seen as a basic social need? Pah



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