No.4627
Only if you're wealthy.
The greatest era to live in was the boomer's generation. So much money.
No.4631
But I have to be negative, so I can find a negative gf and have kids with her, then we'll have positive kids because we multiplied.
No.4635
>>4634yeah but instead of learning about useful things, people read about pronouns, the earth being flat, fortnite dances, and memes
No.4636
>>4635To be fair a lot of the important shit is behind paywalls and/or lots of red tape. Wikipedia and CliffNotes just isn't enough and torrenting is not an option for a surprising amount of people.
It reminds me of how people in America are overweight and suffering from malnutrition and dehydration.
No.4695
>>4634I've been watching videos about anarchy and since I've like causes that bring the power to the masses rather than the elites I want to now read about anarchist ideas. I might have to tell my mom that I'm becoming an anarchist, mostly for laughs.
"Hey mom, I'm an anarchist, I got a cute anarchist gf and we are going to protest private institutions and the government. Also, she's pregnant so you're going to have anarchist grandbabies. Hooray!!"
No.4703
>>4695Doesn't seem to me like Anarchy brings power to the masses. Maybe I misunderstand it, but I would think Anarchy empowers the people who can afford expensive security and military. Like capitalism, except you can't actually sue big corporations for ruining your life.
Funny concept though, I'm sure your mother would be thrilled.
No.4704
>>4695Rule of law is the only system that has ever given the weak any semblance of security from the strong.
No.4706
>>4703There's a BIG difference between left and right wing anarchism. "We are going to protest private institutions" makes me think that
>>4695 was probably talking about the left version. This is a good introduction if you're interested:
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq No.4707
>>4703Maybe "power" is the wrong word, since in more leftist circles (and yea,
>>4706, I'm referring to left wing anarchism thanks for the resource it's really cool) power refers to the ability to limit and give options to others. So a good example would be the difference between Apple's ecosystem vs Linux and Android, Apple has the power to cut out ports on it's laptops, prevent DIY upgrades on it's desktops and build it's phones and tablets to require special headphones and repair techs to replace the battery. Compared to Linux and Android which can be used to revive old devices and a lot of older computers can still be upgraded/repaired by the user.
It's very safe to say that tech, as just one example, would be extremely different if all of the big players were anarchist co-operatives rather than capitalist companies. The latter has a lot of power over average person.
Sorry if I come off as rambling, I'm just learning about all of this too.
>>4704I respectfully disagree. The law isn't a concern for abusive people and entities. The laws are too often made by the powerful in the first place and often ignored by them too.
No.4708
>>4626>Growing political instability>Booming population with no end in sight>Elite using this world as their playground>Robots will soon eliminate the need for a large majority of workers>Rising apathy and ignoranceThis is the ugliest age of man. At least the past didn't try to mask the ugliness with 'civilisation', life was brutal and everyone knew it.
No.4711
>>4710They totally did. Romans shitposted about the same shit we did. The graffiti has been preserved in places like pompeii too.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/10336768/What-can-we-learn-from-Roman-graffiti.html>“Lucilla ex corpore lucrum faciebat” — “Lucilla made money from her body.” >In the Domus Tiberiana in Rome, there survives a crudely-drawn man with an oversized penis for a nose.>“Marcellus loves Praenestina, but she doesn’t care for him.” The HBO rome series is absolutely amazing and you should watch it. At one point Ceasers wife is travelling through Rome on a litter and it turns out that overnight they've painted pictures of his mistress blowing him all over the city, then he has to break up with her because his wife is pissed.
No.4713
>>4712Gonna be worse, with climate change, resource wars, and cultural decay.
No.4722
>>4718Every age has good and bad, the problem we have now is that the good in the world is really good and the bad is really bad. Medical technology is amazing, but nuclear warfare is terrifying. So you have to take the good with the bad, the only other option is suicide. Unless you're a time traveler, in which case, you can take whatever good with whatever bad you want.
No.4723
>>4718I don't have health insurance so I can't actually afford healthcare despite needing it really badly
No.4985
Impending societal collapse across most of the Western world seems less than ideal to me.
No.4996
>>4985This sushi expressed my thoughts.
We're progressing towards a technology facilitated dystopia.
Politics and hatred everywhere. Political correctness turned into censorship.
I'm quite a loner, for several reasons, but this shit just discourages from socializing and makes me want enjoy life in solitude more, even it's just watching animu, mountain biking, travelling and shit
No.4999
>>4996I feel like that too, but I don't know how to stay comfortably independent in solitude. Hard to find a source of income I think. Might be possible through certain crafts, but that also requires some investment, which might not be possible for NEET and low income loners.
No.5000
>>4999
>low incomeHmm. I worked at factory earning almost minimum wage, while studying, for 4 years, before moving on to a proper office job.
Living w/ my parents and adopting a very strict financial regime helped me out a lot. I managed to build a decent PC, buy a car, go to anicons, travelled to Japan, etc…
I took pleasure not from instant gratification in buying that new figure, but in the commitment to, and accomplishment of, the goal I set that was to buy said figure.
Save, plan ahead, don't contract debt. I think it's doable.
Even for NEETs. If you're very emotionally unstable, try setting smaller, easier objectives, and work your way up. The hardest part is getting a job. From the shit I've seen, anyone can get a job, no matter how crappy it is. It pays and that's, not all, but, most of what matters. This mindset helped me.
No.5015
>>5000I just came here to check these digits.
No.5417
>>4996People are much more friendly than you realize, sushi.
the loudest people often have the worst to say. I can literally say that out of all of the people on earth, about 16% re as bad as you think.
Go talk to your neighbors. Hear their stories. Learn to love.
No.5678
>>4626I'm still a piece of garbage though
this
>>5671 No.6803
“The only value of this world lay in its power - at certain times - to suggest another world.”
No.6835
>>6825It is if you go full nihilist. Aka nothing matters, but I don't care.
It really maxes out confidence and comfort doing whatever you want since you get to spit in the face of cosmic forces. Helps that people respect someone with bottomless confidence, because who can be scared of consequences that don't matter?
No.6843
A pessimistic view protects me from all the evil in world and all the pain I could experience. If you are negative there is nothing to fear and nothing uncomfortable. Embracing the pain is the final step of a positive person. It negates the nihilistic truth because pain matters and it matters to everyone. Human life is an afford to fight the inherent negativity of life. In this sense, because humans are able to resist negativity in some rare occasions and in some temporary moments through creative and empathic actions, humans are transcendental beings who are able to overcome their fate.
People like me much more since I accepted this mindset. Because I stopped caring about myself. I am not important. What's important is to face the negativity of existence which is a problem for everyone. So I gave up on my own improvement and pleasure and try to help other people. To ba able to help others you also have to care about your own well being otherwise you are too weak.
I never talk to this about anyone except I would be explicitly asked. This is a way of living and others notice. The reasons for what I am doing I keep to myself. I don't even think those are important. In fact I could be very wrong and you could give arguments why my propositions are faulty. That's not what matters to me. It's an ethos not a logical explanation.
No.6846
we're in the cyberpunk future fiction always talked about. things get better everyday, but the divisions between people never change. in the end, only the rich can really reap the benefits of the modern era.
No.6847
But we don't live in the 1800s…
No.6857
Guys, I'm not depressed anymore. I believe OP.
No.8641
If you live around negative people, it's due time to have negative thoughts
No.8642
>>8641I'm surrounded by generally positive people but I'm still depressed
>>6857I'm happy to hear that
No.8661
Didn't know Steven Pinker went on sushichan
No.8726
What a time to be alive.
No.8875
>>4626Start being positive.
We live in the age where America falls, and with it: modernism.
No.8948
In some ways, I agree. In other ways, I disagree.
No.9105
>>8875I don't see how.
The actual modernist movement (which I know you're not referring to) happened all the way back in the 1800s, before the US was a world power, and it largely developed in western Europe anyway.
Postmodernism (which you probably are referring to) definitely owes more to the US than modernism does, but it spread outside of the US pretty damn fast and has dominated the culture of most first world countries, including eastern ones like Japan and South Korea.
No.9106
>>4635>fortnite dancesI don't know why kids making asses of themselves is considered to be the sign of a falling society. Everyone does dumb shit when they're in highschool. It's just part of growing up.
No.9303
>>928580's style Gura is very cool
No.9579
>>4634And only use it to stay on Facebook.
No.9628
>>4978Technology is ambivalent. Each new technology brings great good and great evil with it, proportional to how powerful that technology/knowledge is.
Nuclear Fissile Energy IS the solution to the climate crisis.
AND YET
Nuclear Fissile Weapons will kill millions.
Its important that we be cautious and diligent with new technologies so that we use them responsibly, but at the same time fearing technology and trying to run away from it is like trying to hide from one of the seasons. Primitivism seems like an overreaction based on speculations about how BAD the future will be, instead of how GOOD it could be.
Try to be an optimistic realist sushi, you won't grow back a single hair on your head by worrying about the future.
No.9662
>>4712rad optimist
>>4713gay pessimist
No.9683
>>6843>A pessimistic view protects me from all the evil in world and all the pain I could experienceThis is just a form of self-deception. Negativity doesn't protect you from anything, and incentivizes laziness and underachievement by making excuses for why you shouldn't even try. Accepting pain and moving on is important, but what you're advocating for is a kind of conformism that hand-waves life away with pessimistic attitudes towards the whole ordeal. You gave up on improvement and pursued useless platitudes like altruism because it was easier than giving a damn and trying to get somewhere instead of meandering through life like you have. The only boon to your doublethink was the apparent confidence you achieved once you realized that you don't have to care what others think about you, but you could have come to the same conclusion as an optimistic realist as well.
Stop deluding yourself and pick up growth mindset with a realistic optimistic outlook on life and meaning. Because truth is a reality, not an ideal. Because your perceptions aren't the abstract reduction of chemicals within an electromagnetic lattice. Because life has more meaning when you can enjoy both its highs and its lows, rather than a detached static of experiences painted by a veneer of absurdity and hidden behind a facade of nihilism. Because studies prove it has a strong direct correlation to productivity and happiness. Embrace life and see the value in the mundane, or be nothing.
No.9906
>>9683I stopped reading part 8 a while ago so I could wait till its all finished. Please, is his just a meme? Or is this an actual conversation?
No.9909
>>9906Its a meme as demonstrated by
>>9907Avoiding spoilers, what adds an extra layer to it is that the top character gives up at the first sign of resistance - he has no internal drive because he is so pessimistic. Meanwhile the character on the bottom is intensely driven and in typical anime protag fashion will keep going even if they're missing an arm and a leg (literally). So it adds that little cherry on top to my point in the existentialism/pessimism rant.
Nothing can stop you when you see all walls as something to climb. Pessimism sees every pebble as a mountain by contrast. Ergo: realistic optimism is the only path forward if you want to live a good life. You control your own destiny.
no image, couldn't find anything to fit this feel.
No.12032
>>9106Thinking kids making asses of themselves is the harbinger of doom is part of being an adult.
No.12401
>>4626I think we live in a pretty bad age. The level of information hiding is on a whole new level.
No.12413
>>12401>The level of information hiding is on a whole new levelBut the level of information availability is also unprecedented. Think of:
>Wikipedia>Free news from mainstream media websites>Wikileaks>Open source software>Open-access academic journals>Q&A sites such as StackExchangeThat's just the legal layer of today's information soil. Think of all the books, manuals, journal articles and so forth you can get through torrenting (also IPFS nowadays).
Sure, not all of the resources in the list are available in every country. But governments used to have a much easier job of controlling information: just censor the handful of newspapers that the majority of citizens read and they will be in your service. Now it's harder to prevent ordinary people from finding alternative sources of information, or gaining specialist knowledge from the internet.
No.12418
>>12413So few people actually do and doing so is a pain. And then when you try to interface with the average person they won't believe you.
No.12419
>>12413>>12418Now is the best time to learn basic knowledge but the worst to learn relevant truths.
No.12431
>>4626hardly the greatest
No.12450
>>12418>So few people actually do and doing so is a pain.Okay, but my argument is that it is easier to learn (physics|drawing|government secrets) than it ever has been. If you picked a random human life to live from the whole history of our species, chances are you would pick an illiterate hunter-gatherer with no chance of formal education and not a clue what was happening beyond his/her small patch of the land.
It's hard to educate oneself today, but it used to be literally impossible.
>>12419>relevant truthsSuch as?
No.12479
>>4626Yes, well that's a classic aphorism
"We're living in the best possible reality, says the optimist
The pessimist fears that this may be true"
No.13056
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>>4978>You have to take the good with the bad>The full eradication of the entire world is impossible with pre-agrarian technology. If you really find The Bomb terrifying the inevitable end conclusion you will come to is that technology has been misused by powerful people for the entire history of humanity.Knowledge is a deadly friend when no one makes the rules
The fate of all mankind it seems is in the hands of fools
No.15482
>>15481>Get timeGreat time.
Bleh.
I have a headache.
No.16491
I think it's undeniable to come to the conclusion - if you do any sort of retrospective and introspective thinking - that we live in the time of kali yuga. "the age of quarrel and hypocrisy"
Everything appears fine and dandy to you, especially if you happen to live in a secure working or middle class environment. But you probably never stop to ponder exactly whose sacrifice and backs are broken from the oppressive nature of capitalism which provides that security for you. To be honest, it is quite selfish to say "we live in the greatest age known to man" when you are perfectly aware that the so-appearing flourishment of our civilization is only made possible through exploitation of the less fortunate. Ultimately though this myth most likely arises not only from your own dishonesty but also ignorance. I would recommend you at least read Rene Guenon or David Bentley Hart
>“But I don’t believe in the myth of progress. If he literally means that we have emerged into a period moral superiority in every sphere, I mean, yes, Western industrial societies flourish and they look after their own, they’re also complicit in many more discrete violence’s, violence’s that are hid from everyday view, wars that are not fought on their own soil, exploitation of other peoples, their resources, their economies. The use of…cheap labor in China to mass produce products to give us a level of material comfort that allow us to look after one another. Yes, we have altered the way in which we go about enacting our violence’s, we have drawn in our borders a bit, and we do in modern societies have functioning welfare states that are somewhat more provident toward our own, but the notion that we’re better off now morally, that morally we’ve advanced in an unambiguous way, and in every sense, and because we’ve thrown off religion, as if religion existed in the abstract and we’re a single monolithic reality, or as if religion were to blame for the atrocities of the twentieth century, which is the age of the great march forward of the secular national state as a project, I think it’s just a wild over-simplification, and a dangerous one, because I think it allows one a degree of a moral complacency and optimism not warranted by history….”
>“It’s a realist view to recognize that just because we tell ourselves that we’re morally superior to our ancestors when you actually get down to the ways in which our society is constructed and how it sustains itself, we discover that, no, we, in our own way, are violent and rapacious and indifferent to the sufferings of others, we just have chosen a different set of others to be indifferent towards.”
-David Bentley Hart
Well despite all this pessimism I'm not advocating for living in despair, despite personally believing in that mankind is living through great tragedy I still try to live beautifully and affirm the more "god-given" aspects of life. But attempting to affirm a globally positive stance as you're holding an iPhone in your hand and don't even consider what this device really means and and implies is at best ignorant and at worst hypocritical.
No.17869
>>4636People just don't know where to look for information and learning resources in general. While it is true that most books and scientific articles are behind a paywall, there is a considerable amount of solutions to get access without paying anything (pirate libraries are ironically the largest libraries in human history).
Yet, most people are not aware of these solutions since they have a biased perspective about how one makes a business out of a web service. That being said, maybe these solutions wouldn't exist if they suddenly become mainstream.
No.17872
>>17869True. Also True. True. Yeah that's the problem: I'm stuck trying to figure out how to pull a salivary stone out when I can't even make cereal.
No.17873
>>4817Here, take this with you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAFHQobvqXI>>4818Yeah don't do that please also that's not even a real place.
No.23756
Alexa, play FORTUNATE SON.
No.23768
>>23766500 years ago you shit using what was called a cuckstoel, hence the term to be one's cuckstoel, to take being shit on from someone else.
Villages had wells and wells dropped down to a largely untainted water table. What I mean by this is villages had learned not to put their wells downstream of the graveyard where they bury people. "Bad air" would wander onto them. Yeah… Most died on campaign to foreign bugs they weren't used to back home, along with Typhus and the likes.
There is still no air conditioning in my country. You're describing what people do in current year. Except you can buy an ice cream.
For heat you needed good firekeeping yes. Again, it was not weird for your based ancient boomoids to have a grasp on this. An anglo firepit for the village's longhouse is a 3m by 2m square hole with flint chips marked and ashened by fire, most likely shoveled over a large flame to heat stones and then slam the large or small morsel down into those hot stones. If you don't have anglo-norse ancestry this might be something else from elsewhere. But in my eyes that's for cooking in batch, and well, not that well developed or appetising. I don't know. I've never tried a modern day sample from one. Mustard sauce developed from hiding the taste of meats that had gotten rotten. The medieval variety still exists, you can still buy it, but I'm glad it developed further I don't like the taste. It's roughly milled and grainy, slightly more than horseradish. At least it isn't just sand.
Medical care was done via the ward system and tithe system through the church. It was their job to make the sick well. The system worked - it wasn't broken per se. But with modern centralisation you get modern advantages.
Child mortality was two things. Living in cities and built up areas rife with disease, and lack of maternity reform. It was left to women, individualism, and superstition. Which isn't nothing, but when men got seriously involved it dropped to less than 1 in 20 as per before. Something as ludicrous as that. Consensus on maternity practices has subsequently helped much of the world.
Entertainment was more human oriented than now. We mock board games, but that's what they had.
Toilberg could not make you work in the dark, so at night people would go home.
Transportation was a premium. There were persona non grata between villages, cut throats and the sort. Careful how you go and all that.
On the whole the culture I'm from was a good strong one. The things they were weak on; cooking, pottery, house-building were looked upon as kind of domestic mule work and not taken seriously until later on. If you want to make out that it was utter barbarity and hardship all of the time, remember how easy it was to avoid a sociopath ruler and go somrwhere else. Everything is centralised now. If you want a different way of life you'll find no shelter from it on the other side of the hill
No.23773
>>23772Sticking to anglo-norse it's believed to be corded ware culture but it's disputed in and around that area. Corded ware is supposed to have contained in it mainly steppe pastoralist and anatolian farmer genetic material, the lesser anatolian part derives "probably" from Sredny Stog but the greater steppe pastoralist part is really disputed. We have details for how people lived slightly before this time through Ötzi the Iceman. Enough artifacts in enough of a condition to say both how he lived and how he died, since the man who killed him didn't strip his possessions once he'd presumably satiated some kind of primitive revenge or feud arc (men who kill out of revenge seem not interested in valuable objects on the corpse).
All this is highly interesting.
"The greatest age known to man (or not)" is the premise, though. It's not a great time to be alive. We've given modern medical science to keep alive culturally vacuous bugmen. Who swamp entire continents. Who hate their own existence because there's too many of them. I'm not anti-humanity, but the point is to be selective towards the kinds of quality we want to cultivate in our lives, and we've completely lost the plot on that.
No.23774
This world is objectively evil. It is satanic and overflowing with atheism and nihilism. You people are all fucked and you are all part of a conspiracy to destroy me. I hate you all.
No.23776
>>23775This is not possible. Your consciousness has already been shaped by your encounter with the world. In fact there is no real separation between your interior (head) and exterior (the world). What this means is that we are all polluted both physically (micro plastics in our brain) and mentally (the satanism of the world).
No.23777
>>23776Don't care. I just went for a jolly frolic in the meadows of the Swiss Alpines in my imagination with my goat herding tulpa and now we have settled down for classical music and supping on kartoffelpuffer. Your sword of fearmongering can never penetrate my shield of mental delusion and whimsical folly.
No.23779
>>23777I just had a dream where the car I was driving auto-accelerated with all the brakes doing nothing in a heavingly pedestrianised place and hit the school children and their guides trying to stop it, then the entire line of questioning was about not having the license rather than faults that affect the car
No.23780
>>23774nuh uh! i like it here actually
No.23807
>>4626>>4627This is a world where a moron can start a fight and cause global oil prices to rise. I hate it.
No.23812
>>23807It's me i'm the moron i will keep fighting hahahaha
No.23906
>>4703>Anarchy empowers the people who can afford expensive security and military. this would not be a thing under anarchy
No.23920
Had I been born in any other era, I would not have met my kitty.
No.23938
>>23937He means HIV positive
